Comments on: New Study Examines Depression in Women, Including Effects of Abortion and Partner Violence http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/04/new-study-examines-depression-in-women-includ Daily dose of women's health news and media analysis Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:46:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Anne http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/04/new-study-examines-depression-in-women-includ/comment-page-1#comment-2485 Anne Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:14:51 +0000 http://ourbodies.s467.sureserver.com/?p=534#comment-2485 I am a woman who had an abortion, and I am still extremely depressed about it (it was over 2 years ago). I don't care what the study says. I am a robot going through the motions of living, after my abortion. I was under a lot of fear and anxiety and heavily coerced into it by the baby's father and another person. I was going to school and I had no support where I needed it most. But now I would give anything to have that baby back. Nothing is worth having an abortion over. I feel my baby's blood is on anything I "gained" as a result of the abortion. And you prochoicers who are always criticizing prolife guys for trying to control women's bodies, why don't you start with the many "prochoice" guys who coerce, pressure, intimidate, and guilt-trip their girlfriend into getting an abortion. I am a woman who had an abortion, and I am still extremely depressed about it (it was over 2 years ago). I don’t care what the study says. I am a robot going through the motions of living, after my abortion. I was under a lot of fear and anxiety and heavily coerced into it by the baby’s father and another person. I was going to school and I had no support where I needed it most. But now I would give anything to have that baby back. Nothing is worth having an abortion over. I feel my baby’s blood is on anything I “gained” as a result of the abortion. And you prochoicers who are always criticizing prolife guys for trying to control women’s bodies, why don’t you start with the many “prochoice” guys who coerce, pressure, intimidate, and guilt-trip their girlfriend into getting an abortion.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/04/new-study-examines-depression-in-women-includ/comment-page-1#comment-2457 Sarah Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:44:54 +0000 http://ourbodies.s467.sureserver.com/?p=534#comment-2457 Ed. note: comment deleted - Christine Ed. note: comment deleted
- Christine

]]> By: Rachel http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/04/new-study-examines-depression-in-women-includ/comment-page-1#comment-2455 Rachel Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:18:40 +0000 http://ourbodies.s467.sureserver.com/?p=534#comment-2455 I don't want to go back and forth about this, as we obviously disagree. I think it's clear that, in the context of abortion discussions, "choice" is a reference to the choice to have or not have an abortion, not about slavery or salad dressing or any other possible choices. However, I'm inclined to let this go, because I don't think arguments about the labels get us anywhere with regards to the actual issue, and it doesn't look like we can keep this civil. I don’t want to go back and forth about this, as we obviously disagree. I think it’s clear that, in the context of abortion discussions, “choice” is a reference to the choice to have or not have an abortion, not about slavery or salad dressing or any other possible choices. However, I’m inclined to let this go, because I don’t think arguments about the labels get us anywhere with regards to the actual issue, and it doesn’t look like we can keep this civil.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/04/new-study-examines-depression-in-women-includ/comment-page-1#comment-2454 Sarah Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:57:36 +0000 http://ourbodies.s467.sureserver.com/?p=534#comment-2454 Prior to posting garbage, why not actually consult a dictionary first? Both words equally mean something along the lines of being in FAVOUR/ FOR the procurement of legalised abortion. To be anti abortion is to be OPPOSED to abortion, so clearly the opposite of being opposed to abortion is being in SUPPORT of abortion, hence the prefix \"PRO\". http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pro%20abortion Pro abortion –adjective pro-choice. Also, pro-a⋅bor⋅tion. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pro%20choice –adjective supporting or advocating legalized abortion. If someone is opposed to legalised slavery, then the term \"anti choice\" can equally be applied to them too, as said person would be opposed to others CHOOSING to own slaves. Choice is often good, but not ALWAYS, in particular when the choice being discussed is the enslaving blacks, or the choice of ending an inoncent life. That is why the word \"choice\" should be removed and replaced with the act you\'re advocating- abortion. If you support abortion, then be upfront about it, and stop using deceptive and digestible euphenisms to hide the gravity of what you are advocating, the KILLING of a LIFE. Prior to posting garbage, why not actually consult a dictionary first?

Both words equally mean something along the lines of being in FAVOUR/ FOR the procurement of legalised abortion.

To be anti abortion is to be OPPOSED to abortion, so clearly the opposite of being opposed to abortion is being in SUPPORT of abortion, hence the prefix \”PRO\”.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pro%20abortion

Pro abortion

–adjective
pro-choice.
Also, pro-a⋅bor⋅tion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pro%20choice

–adjective
supporting or advocating legalized abortion.

If someone is opposed to legalised slavery, then the term \”anti choice\” can equally be applied to them too, as said person would be opposed to others CHOOSING to own slaves.

Choice is often good, but not ALWAYS, in particular when the choice being discussed is the enslaving blacks, or the choice of ending an inoncent life.

That is why the word \”choice\” should be removed and replaced with the act you\’re advocating- abortion.

If you support abortion, then be upfront about it, and stop using deceptive and digestible euphenisms to hide the gravity of what you are advocating, the KILLING of a LIFE.

]]> By: Rachel http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/04/new-study-examines-depression-in-women-includ/comment-page-1#comment-2451 Rachel Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:09:14 +0000 http://ourbodies.s467.sureserver.com/?p=534#comment-2451 Nope, pro-choice means that women have a choice to carry a pregnancy to term or not. Abortion is one choice, and it's disingenuous to suggest that pro-choice folks only support that one choice or somehow advocate for forced abortions. It's also completely disingenuous to suggest that when we're talking about abortion, someone might get confused and think we mean salad dressing. I'd like to see where that has happened. Just as dictionaries reflect how words are used in real life, the term "pro-choice" is well known to refer to choices regarding pregnancy (including abortion) when speaking about abortion. We (I) want women to have that choice remain safe and legal. If "pro-life" folks want to take that choice away from individual women, then they are anti-choice. Nope, pro-choice means that women have a choice to carry a pregnancy to term or not. Abortion is one choice, and it’s disingenuous to suggest that pro-choice folks only support that one choice or somehow advocate for forced abortions. It’s also completely disingenuous to suggest that when we’re talking about abortion, someone might get confused and think we mean salad dressing. I’d like to see where that has happened. Just as dictionaries reflect how words are used in real life, the term “pro-choice” is well known to refer to choices regarding pregnancy (including abortion) when speaking about abortion. We (I) want women to have that choice remain safe and legal. If “pro-life” folks want to take that choice away from individual women, then they are anti-choice.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/04/new-study-examines-depression-in-women-includ/comment-page-1#comment-2448 Sarah Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:24:24 +0000 http://ourbodies.s467.sureserver.com/?p=534#comment-2448 Anti Choice? You mean pro life. When you speak of CHOICE, please FINISH the sentence and make it clear that the choice you advocate is for KILLING unborn children, and not choosing a salad dressing . PS- Pro choice on abortion = pro abortion. Even dictionary definitions support this. If you support the killing of unborn children- who are sometimes sentient- then at least have the decency to be intellectually honest with the language you use. Anti Choice? You mean pro life.

When you speak of CHOICE, please FINISH the sentence and make it clear that the choice you advocate is for KILLING unborn children, and not choosing a salad dressing .

PS- Pro choice on abortion = pro abortion. Even dictionary definitions support this.

If you support the killing of unborn children- who are sometimes sentient- then at least have the decency to be intellectually honest with the language you use.

]]> By: Hilary http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/04/new-study-examines-depression-in-women-includ/comment-page-1#comment-450 Hilary Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:15:44 +0000 http://ourbodies.s467.sureserver.com/?p=534#comment-450 Thanks for posting this. We just learned about confounders and effect modifiers and stratified analysis in biostats. Yeesh. Thanks for posting this.

We just learned about confounders and effect modifiers and stratified analysis in biostats. Yeesh.

]]> By: Rachel http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/04/new-study-examines-depression-in-women-includ/comment-page-1#comment-449 Rachel Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:45:32 +0000 http://ourbodies.s467.sureserver.com/?p=534#comment-449 mpro, thanks for commenting. This study isn't "de-correlating" as you suggest - the existing evidence on abortion and depression also suggests that there is no significant correlation. In other words, this study basically replicates what has already been demonstrated by other researchers. This type of multiple logistic regression is actually an extremely common technique for allowing researchers to sort out the different effects of multiple independent variables. Say we want to know if abortion "causes" depression. In your example it's the Catholic upbringing wrt abortion that is associated with the depression, not a physiological effect of abortion. That is not to say that an individual woman may not experience some regret or depression (which may be related to other issues, such as violence), but it's not a biological given that abortion causes depression, and the researchers found that having had an abortion did not predict or raise the odds of depression. It's a bit complicated, but there's a fairly straightforward example in the first paragraph here: <a href="http://www.statsoft.com/textbook/stmulreg.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.statsoft.com/textbook/stmulreg.html</a> mpro, thanks for commenting. This study isn’t “de-correlating” as you suggest – the existing evidence on abortion and depression also suggests that there is no significant correlation. In other words, this study basically replicates what has already been demonstrated by other researchers.

This type of multiple logistic regression is actually an extremely common technique for allowing researchers to sort out the different effects of multiple independent variables. Say we want to know if abortion “causes” depression. In your example it’s the Catholic upbringing wrt abortion that is associated with the depression, not a physiological effect of abortion. That is not to say that an individual woman may not experience some regret or depression (which may be related to other issues, such as violence), but it’s not a biological given that abortion causes depression, and the researchers found that having had an abortion did not predict or raise the odds of depression. It’s a bit complicated, but there’s a fairly straightforward example in the first paragraph here: http://www.statsoft.com/textbook/stmulreg.html

]]> By: mpro http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/04/new-study-examines-depression-in-women-includ/comment-page-1#comment-448 mpro Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:21:09 +0000 http://ourbodies.s467.sureserver.com/?p=534#comment-448 It seems pretty obvious that violence toward a woman (or a man for that matter) could easily aid in the formation of a depressed state. I'm not sure I buy the "science" related to the de-correlation of a previous abortion or parenting multiple children when it comes to depression. By removing the sociodemographic factors, the researchers are no longer working in reality, they are working in a sterile scientific fantasy world. The fact is we are all somewhat biased and bound by our sociodemographic make-up. If a person is depressed because she happened to grow up in a strict Catholic environment and then had an abortion, you can't just discount her feelings because if she would have been raised agnostic that "guilt" may not be there. It seems pretty obvious that violence toward a woman (or a man for that matter) could easily aid in the formation of a depressed state.

I’m not sure I buy the “science” related to the de-correlation of a previous abortion or parenting multiple children when it comes to depression. By removing the sociodemographic factors, the researchers are no longer working in reality, they are working in a sterile scientific fantasy world. The fact is we are all somewhat biased and bound by our sociodemographic make-up. If a person is depressed because she happened to grow up in a strict Catholic environment and then had an abortion, you can’t just discount her feelings because if she would have been raised agnostic that “guilt” may not be there.

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